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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Denning-6V71 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:33 pm

I buy United E10, because it's 4c/l cheaper than regular unleaded (without needing to go shopping at Coles/Safeway/Woolies first) and my car runs fine on it.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby ben73 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:01 pm

I was told most new cars must use premium unleaded, because normal and ethanol unleadeds were not good enough. Is this true or just a recommendation.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby C130 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:06 pm

I think most new cars are being made to be able to use E10 and other stuff- the comodore wagon is designed to use E10, so I think the person who told you that is pulling your leg.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby ben73 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:35 pm

Well It was a European car. It was the dealer who said it.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby C130 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:39 pm

Mabye for european cars its different. But you'd think they'd want to use cheaper fuels, as its about $2.50 or something per litre for fuel.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:52 pm

Alot of European cars go for diesel. Toyota have said that their cars can't handle ethanol & won't be changing this in new cars.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby MDi-Kid » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:06 am

We have a 85 or something tarago and this panflet thing we got that has what years take e 10 and it says ours is a year too old but it runs fine and iv herd of cars bein like 5 years over the age and they run fine.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby MDi-Kid » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:08 am

I recon just go for whatever is cheaper. :wink:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby boronia » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:00 am

Denning-6V71 wrote:I buy United E10, because it's 4c/l cheaper than regular unleaded (without needing to go shopping at Coles/Safeway/Woolies first) and my car runs fine on it.
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E10 is slightly less "efficient" than standard ULP; so though its cheaper to buy, your consumption will go up slightly, so in the long run you may not save anything.

One of the problems with ethanol is that it may react with the "rubber" components in your fuel system. This will be more of a problem with older cars, as these parts will deteriorate over time even with normal petrol. The general consensus seems to be that the E10 mixture should not be strong enough to cause problems with later model cars.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:33 am

Fairfax Drive ran an independent test some months back to compare E10, ULP91 and ULP98.

They used three identical Toyota Camrys. The results showed ULP91 to be the most bang for your buck in terms of filling costs and range. However, they did note the Camry on ULP98 recorded the best fuel consumption figures and thus the best mileage, but the additional 15 cents per litre in comparison to ULP91 ruled out a victory. Had they compared ULP95, the result may have been different because it is still only 5-8 cents more per litre.

E10 was obviously cheaper to fill up with, but the fuel consumption was a good 1L/100km higher and therefore the range was significantly less than full blended petrols.

What I guess they did not take into account with Premium was the cleaning additives that most ULP98 fuels are blended with and therefore in the long run an owner might save money because fuel system components will not require as much cleaning, etc. Just a thought.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Citybus » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:26 pm

From reading these posts, would I be right to say there really isn't much difference between the 4 major brands, since some services stations uses fuel from other brands apart from their own?
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Bostik » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:00 pm

C130 wrote:Only after wednesday? Up here, Its on average 15c/L more expensive. I think its the evil corporations trying to get more money, as each tank goes further than Petrol. Did anyone notice that after all the things in the news about "Swap to LPG, Its cheaper", the prices rose from about 15-20c/L, to above 55c/L, all within 1 month of the stuff in the news?


Look after last week, I don't even think the oil companies can decide. At the start of the week Diesel was about 10cents more than regular, half way through it was about neck and neck (107.9 i remember seeing it) and by saturday it was about 4 cents cheaper!
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Stan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:21 pm

Unbelievable, Saturday I paid $0.97 for diesel!! More than 10cpl cheaper than petrol which I haven't seen for a BLOODY long time.

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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Skindog the Hawk » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:41 am

Any experience I've had with E10 has been ridiculously bad - previously driving a 96 Falcon, which ran infinitely better on BP 95. Have now upgraded to an 03 Mirage...keep filling it up with the 95 and can't be bothered changing (aside from the fact that work gives me a BP card so I've got no other option unless I want to pay for it myself).

Unfortunately me thinks that the current push towards using E10 over standard 91 is not wise at all...and not just because it mucks up a fair few engines and componentry. :?

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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby adonis » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:24 pm

Just a curiosity does Mobil fuel still exist eversince 7eleven in nsw sydney metro area suburbs has bought mobil out??
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby nbus » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:14 pm

No they are gone but they still sell it wholesale to 7eleven.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Albatross » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:49 pm

Maybe so in the City but in regional areas there's still 2 Mobils that I can think of. One does sometimes have workers wearing shirts with "Liberty" on them and I have been told that Liberty is their fuel supplier, as for the other one, I rarely go in there so I don't know what it's like.

As for particular brands of fuel I can confirm that in at least one 1996 Holden VS Commodore there is no difference at all between different brands of fuel. I regularly use both Shell, the aforementioned Mobil/Liberty service station and a fully branded Liberty service station. I might fill up on fuel at a United if I'm near one but that's rare. Other than that I'm pretty much agnostic when it comes to fuel although I don't use BP or Caltex fuel regularly as neither have non E10 regular unleaded in my area. I did use BP Ultimate for a month followed by about 3 weeks on BP 95 octane Premium yet noticed no improvement in economy or power in my Commodore. Different makes and brands may be different...
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby DiAmOnD T » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:26 am

Mobil did sell out the servo's to 7 11 but they still supply the fuel to them, Majority of stores have been rebranded but there are still more to do (the major ones get done first then smaller/country)
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby scott » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:55 am

The Mobil on Burwood Highway next to Knox City in Melbourne was recently refurbished and rebranded as a 7 Eleven, it incorporates a drive through Dominos Pizza outlet on the site.

This one used to be a Coles Fast and Fresh with Mobil fuel and once incorporated a drive through Red Rooster outlet, before that it was a Mobil petrol station with a Mobil service centre.

We also used to have a Shell Rapid Lube outlet on the Burwood Highway/Stud Road corner, where you could drive your car in and get a grease and oil change with a safety check in about half an hour for about $25. It was part of a gigantic Shell outlet, with car rental there as well, before shutting up shop in the late 90's, interestingly most of the land this site once stood on is still up for sale, some of it became apartments about 5 years ago, but there is still a big parcel of it up for grabs.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:36 am

adonis wrote:Just a curiosity does Mobil fuel still exist eversince 7eleven in nsw sydney metro area suburbs has bought mobil out??


See http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=51718

DiAmOnD T wrote:Mobil did sell out the servo's to 7 11 but they still supply the fuel to them, Majority of stores have been rebranded but there are still more to do (the major ones get done first then smaller/country)


We only have a couple of Mobils left in metropolitan Melbourne but I suspect that might have already changed as I have driven past a couple of Mobil sites in the past few days that have closed in the week leading up to Easter.

Not all of the Mobil sites were converted to 7 Eleven as some have been closed completely for redevelopment and others sold off and converted to other petrol brands. The sale also included a handful of sites that were not branded Mobil but operated by Strasburger Enterprises (Properties), which was a 50 / 50 JV between Mobil and ABN Amro and the company that was actually sold to 7 Eleven. These sites were branded as Fueline, Fuel Zone and Metrofuel and only one has actually been converted to 7 Eleven (the one on Napoleon Road in Lysterfield, VIC). The rest were either on sold or have been idle for sometime.

The initial sale agreement included a long term supply from Mobil to the ex Mobil sites, however as of 1st Jan 2012, Mobil now supplies all petrol and diesel products to 7 Eleven. I am unsure who supplies their LPG and E10 Unleaded fuel at least in VIC as the Mobil terminal at Yarraville does not have E10 available. Prior to 1st Jan 2012, Shell supplied the existing 7 Eleven network.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:47 am

scott wrote:The Mobil on Burwood Highway next to Knox City in Melbourne was recently refurbished and rebranded as a 7 Eleven, it incorporates a drive through Dominos Pizza outlet on the site.

This one used to be a Coles Fast and Fresh with Mobil fuel and once incorporated a drive through Red Rooster outlet, before that it was a Mobil petrol station with a Mobil service centre.


Interestingly, the Mobil site in Frankston on the corner of McMahons Rd and Cranbourne-Frankston Rd was also a trial store. It was branded On The Run and pretty much a copy of what Exxon Mobil have in the USA. The site had a Subway outlet inside which I believe has remained as part of the conversion to 7 Eleven. The store was opened around 2001 by Peter Brock and was suppose to be the future of Mobil here in Australia, however it remained an orphan concept just like the Knox store.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby scott » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:55 pm

The Knox store was opened in November 1998 and was one of the first, if not the first one of the concept. It was very heavily promoted, even on the sides of Ventura and Invicta buses that operated in the area.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:15 am

scott wrote:The Knox store was opened in November 1998 and was one of the first, if not the first one of the concept. It was very heavily promoted, even on the sides of Ventura and Invicta buses that operated in the area.


It was the one and only store of the concept. The Coles branding was removed around 2004 when Coles and Shell formed an alliance. Interestingly, a similar concept has recently opened at the Coles Express service station on High Street in Ashburton (VIC).

Mobil in Tasmania had a discount fuel offer with Coles that was meant to be a trial for the rest of Australia. In the end, Mobil withdrew from Tasmania, Western Australia and Northern Territory and Coles went on to form an alliance with Shell.

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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby ben73 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:59 pm

In my 300c V8 I always use Shell or Caltex. I used to always get 98, but I started using 95 and I don't know if It is much different. I normally don't pay much attention to consumption.

Everyone on internet forums go on about how great BP Ultimate is, I might give it a go tonight since I am almost running on fumes.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby cummins isx » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:22 pm

the mobil refinery site in melbourne supplies fuel to 7/11 and BP, the caltex refinery (Yarraville) supplies caltex and shell have their own as well(in geelong). if you are after the best quality fuel stick with one of the companies i have mentioned. United fuel is crap as are most independent or "non popular" brands
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