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Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Citybus » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:54 pm

Are there much differences between the quality of fuels (regular unleaded) between the 4 major companies? Do you guys have a preference? When I bought my new car back in 2003, I used to always run it on Shell unleaded, because I heard it was the best fuel at the time. Now I mix between Caltex and Shell depending on which discount voucher is due to expire.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby MDi-Kid » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:12 pm

i recon just go for whatever is cheaper :lol:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Stan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:14 pm

No. Stick to those 4 specialist retailers for the best results. Avoid 7eleven and other indian-operated* servo fuel because it comes from the cheapest wholesaler at the time and is often sub-standard aging fuel often with contaminants and bulking agents mixed in.

I've always found BP Ultimate the best hi-per fuel around and also found it had the best efficiency in a 6cyl ecotec commodore, watch out for the shell vpower 100 octane because it can make your engine run real hot (particularly extractors/turbo[s]- I found that out the hard way in a V6 turbo AWD prelude. But then I probably should have laid off the +15 octane booster).

BP ultimate diesel is a waste of money. I myself with the BT-50 notice no difference whatsoever but is of course a beast to begin with (I'm sure some people swear by it).

*Indian people know they are tight-ass cheapskates that cut corners to increase profit- they'll admit it too (yes I do have a few Indian mates)!

In conclusion, in my opinion, any of those for suppliers are fine. I generally use Mobil now because they're the cheapest in my area. I NEVER use 7eleven fuel.

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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:20 pm

I have a '93 Camry & Shell seems to be the best for it. It seems to depends on the car. My car hates BP & Mobil & E10. However Caltex Premium seems to be the best for drives on the highway.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby bubzie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:32 pm

I only seem to use caltex unleaded, and my car seems fine....


and i've used mobil's unleaded (pardon me, what is it, something 20??) and it went ok. i think.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Grenda Driver » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:56 pm

I normally swap between Shell Unleaded and V Power, and BP's unleaded and Ultimate, and it's true - with prolonged use - it does increase mileage per tank.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Grenda Driver » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:58 pm

I've noticed alot of bus companies use Mobil Dist, does anyone know what other companies use?

I know MBL, Dysons and Grenda use Mobil.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:14 pm

Grenda Driver wrote:I've noticed alot of bus companies use Mobil Dist, does anyone know what other companies use?


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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby boronia » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:29 pm

Depending on where you live, most petrol comes from the nearest refinery, or import terminal.

If you live in Melbourne, I bet your favourite BP product doesn't come from Perth or Brisbane. You get Shell or Mobil, with maybe a bit of BP's "11 herbs and spices" thrown into the mix.

Even in Sydney your "Caltex" petrol in the western suburbs has more likely come out of the Shell refinery at Granville than from the Caltex refinery at Kurnell.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby davemail66 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:28 pm

I still prefer to use Golden Fleece petrol :lol:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:41 pm

boronia wrote:If you live in Melbourne, I bet your favourite BP product doesn't come from Perth or Brisbane. You get Shell or Mobil, with maybe a bit of BP's "11 herbs and spices" thrown into the mix.


BP Ultimate is shipped over from WA. The rest of their fuel is likely to be from the local refinery.

I drive a 99 Camry and religiously use Mobil 6000 (Unleaded 95/96). My average fuel consumption is around 9.5-10L/100km (70% suburban, 20% freeway and 10% stop-start city) and it runs much smoother than when running Regular..

I have been told to avoid supermarket chain and convenience store fuel.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:03 pm

Also Toyota have said that their engines can't use E10 & I have noticed that. In the city I can do 150k's on a 1/4 tank or so-that is driving along bus routes with stopping & starting.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Bostik » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:05 pm

Ahhh that's why I love having a diesel car! You don't have to worry about the whole "min 95 octane" or the whole "should I spend the extra 5 cents to get better economy?"... I get good economy anyways :mrgreen:

But strangely i've noticed that before Wednesday, Diesel is more expensive than regular. But post wednesday it's cheaper.. How does that work?
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby C130 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:49 pm

Only after wednesday? Up here, Its on average 15c/L more expensive. I think its the evil corporations trying to get more money, as each tank goes further than Petrol. Did anyone notice that after all the things in the news about "Swap to LPG, Its cheaper", the prices rose from about 15-20c/L, to above 55c/L, all within 1 month of the stuff in the news?
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:32 pm

To blow all of that out of the water. But in Canberra our petrol is brought in by train to a Shell depot. The Shell petrol station 2 doors down is the same price as a Shell 25k's away.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Member1100 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:55 pm

By chance, I found out recently that Shell V-Power and BP Ultimate infact come from the same refinery. While I tend to use BP Ultimate....it does make you wonder if there is any difference at all. :roll:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Ben_Daui » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:16 pm

TP 3000 wrote:To blow all of that out of the water. But in Canberra our petrol is brought in by train to a Shell depot. The Shell petrol station 2 doors down is the same price as a Shell 25k's away.

I notice with the ACT petrol prices are pretty much similar to Sydney's petrol prices most days of the week but anywhere in between Campbelltown & Exhibition Park petrol is about 8 cents more, I would say petrol maybe subsidised in the ACT :?:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Stan » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:49 pm

C130 wrote:Only after wednesday? Up here, Its on average 15c/L more expensive. I think its the evil corporations trying to get more money, as each tank goes further than Petrol. Did anyone notice that after all the things in the news about "Swap to LPG, Its cheaper", the prices rose from about 15-20c/L, to above 55c/L, all within 1 month of the stuff in the news?

People can stop using petrol, diesel, because of industry, will always be a necessity and demand for it won't fluctuate much. Oil companies know that and exploit it. Plus, diesel is made from heavy crude oil which Australia doesn't produce so it's more subjective to the US oil price which is generally much higher than Singapore's. It's more the fact that the petrol changes dramatically from tuesday to wednesday that the difference increases. But yes, even I (20yo) remember petrol in SEQ for 55-60cpl, I remember when they said "it'll never go over $1per litre" now late last year it was "oh, it'll never go over $2per litre"... There for a while, it was cheaper to buy coke than diesel from a servo :!:

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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby TP 3000 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:02 pm

Why can't Saudi Arabia open a Petrol Station here? They get petrol for 1c a litre. Also if we weren't on the International Market petrol would be just under 90c a litre & petrol isn't subsidized in ACT.

Caltex is the worst for shoving prices up though. With the others quickly following. I want the WA system nation wide, but the bitching opposition won't let it threw.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Stan » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:09 pm

Also, don't forget petrol is more than 50% TAX.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby John » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:12 am

TP 3000 wrote:Also Toyota have said that their engines can't use E10 & I have noticed that. In the city I can do 150k's on a 1/4 tank or so-that is driving along bus routes with stopping & starting.


See below extract from Toyota website, I have bolded vehicles that are not compatible. I once asked the local Toyota dealer on their thoughts about E10 and was strongly advised not to use it and to stick to premium unleaded (the 1MZ-FE engine in the 1999 Camry is prone to pinging on ULP91).

Toyota FAQs wrote:TOYOTA (Passenger Models)

Locally produced Toyota models will operate satisfactorily on petrol fuel blended with 10% ethanol (E10) from the following production dates:

* Camry: from Jan 1987 (All electronic fuel injection models)
* Corolla: from July 1994
* Avalon: All
* Lexcen: All

(Note: Previous production and Corona model not recommended due to incompatability of material)

Enthanol blend greater than 10% is not approved

All Toyota passenger vehicles fully imported by Toyota Australia will operate on petrol fuel blended with 10% ethanol (E10), except older models:

* Supra
* Cressida
* Paseo
* Starlet

(Note: E10 not recommended due to incompatiibility of material) Enthanol blend greater than 10% is not approved.


TOYOTA (Commercial Models)

All Toyota Commercial vehicles imported by Toyota Australia will operated on petrol fuel blended with 10% ethanol (E10), except models fitted with a carburettor as listed:

* Coaster Bus: pre Jan 1993 (carburettor engine)
* Dyna: pre May 1995 (carburettor engine)
* Tarago: pre Oct 1996 (carburettor engine)
* Hilux: pre Aug 1997 (carburettor engine)
* Hiace: pre Aug 1997 (carburettor engine)
* 4 Runner: pre Aug 1997 (carburettor engine)
* Townace: pre Dec 1998 (carburettor engine)
* LandCruiser: pre Aug 1992 (carburettor & EFI engine)

(Note: E10 not recommended due to incompatibility of material) Enthanol blend greater than 10% is not approved.


http://www.toyota.com.au/faqs#

Eratik wrote:By chance, I found out recently that Shell V-Power and BP Ultimate infact come from the same refinery. While I tend to use BP Ultimate....it does make you wonder if there is any difference at all.


I know someone at BP who works in distribution and they are pretty adamant BP Ultimate comes from their refinery in WA. The Yarraville Mobil terminal in Melbourne is actually a shared operation between Mobil and BP, therefore their other products are most likely produced by Mobil at Altona and to less an extent, Shell at Corio.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby Atlantean » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:00 pm

davemail66 wrote:I still prefer to use Golden Fleece petrol :lol:


I'm still looking for an ESSO servo. :lol:
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby GM » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:22 pm

I have had mixed results with Woolworths fuel in my Magna..
I still prefer AMP or Purr Pull. GM
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby howlerbus » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 pm

Grenda Driver wrote:I've noticed alot of bus companies use Mobil Dist, does anyone know what other companies use?

I know MBL, Dysons and Grenda use Mobil.


The SA Education Department bus I took to school for a few years was filled up at Mobil, quite often during the afternoon run with passengers onboard.
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Re: Shell, Caltex, Mobil, BP

Postby GM » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:24 pm

When operating in the 70's & 80's I found that I could tell the difference between Shell and Caltex Diesel.
Caltex would froth-up but the Shell did not.
I could tell the operator at the old Shell at Kellyville whose fuel he had in his tanks. GM
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