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Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby drpeps » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:14 pm

Last month I spent a couple of weeks in the South of Scotland and the North of England during their 'heat wave'. Glorious weather and blue skies everywhere.

I managed a few hours 'free time' in Edinburgh and photographed a sample of their buses. Initially, I thought there were only double deckers, but there are in fact single deckers as well. Most of them are run by Lothian, with an odd smattering of First Scotland East buses. Their fleets are almost exclusively Volvos.

I also noticed a tram route under construction in the centre of Edinburgh. I've since found out this has been a long going, frustrating saga for the people of Edinburgh. Originally scheduled to open in 2011, now it looks like a 2014 start (fingers crossed).

Here's some pictures for you, starting with older through to newer buses. Details are in the filenames.

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These double deckers are tricky. It's hard to tell if they're coming or going with full destination display on the rear as well as the front.
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This First bus is sporting an All Over Advertising for Vodaphone.
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The First Logo looks suspiciously like the Transperth Logo. Wonder which one came first?
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Love the full colour desto. This one is a hybrid.
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Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby drpeps » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:23 pm

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This is a hybrid too.
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This old ex London AEC Routemaster is owned by Lothian and used for city tours -

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Now for a couple of coaches -

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Couldn't find the gen on this one, so does anyone know the chassis maker?
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby Bedford-29 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:38 pm

The Parnhams coach is a Bova Futura there is quite a number of them around the UK.
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby drpeps » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:40 pm

Thanks for that Bedford-29. I was after the chassis maker, ie a Mercedes, Volvo etc and which model.
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:10 am

Bova Futura is an integral by the now called VDL. There's an updated modern version, both the old and new versions are popular all over Europe, but only just got my first shot of one in Krakow, Poland the other day!

Also that Volvo Hybrid is also an integral Volvo 7900. Volvo's European integral Euro 6 range only consists of the 7900 Hybrid rigid and Artic from now on.

Nice shots, great to see some areas I didn't get to.
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby boronia » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:17 am

IIRC, the Bovas that came to Australia had DAF running gear?
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby drpeps » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:35 am

Thanks for that explanation Mr OC Benz. Now I understand what Bedford-29 was saying. Buses are going the way cars did some 70 odd years ago.

As a kid, our family car was a 1936 Chevrolet. The chassis & running gear was made by General Motors and the body was made by the Holden Body Works company in South Australia. It had a Holden badge on it on the left hand mudguard down behind the front wheel just above the running board. Eventually, General Motors bought Holden, and the 48/215 (FX) Holden came into existance in 1948 as an 'integral' and most car makers have now moved over to producing the 'whole' car.

Here's my shot of the rear of the Bova showing its badge in the rear window -

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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby Bedford-29 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:20 am

The Parnham`s Bova Futura is just called a Bova the VDL part of the name came in when VDL took over Bova in 2003.VDL also own the Berkhof and Jonckheere names.VDL is a part DAF in the Netherlands.
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby Mitch » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:44 pm

drpeps wrote:As a kid, our family car was a 1936 Chevrolet. The chassis & running gear was made by General Motors and the body was made by the Holden Body Works company in South Australia. It had a Holden badge on it on the left hand mudguard down behind the front wheel just above the running board. Eventually, General Motors bought Holden, and the 48/215 (FX) Holden came into existance in 1948 as an 'integral' and most car makers have now moved over to producing the 'whole' car.


Unless I'm reading it wrong, I think you're getting confused. My understanding of an integral bus is that the bus is made entirely by the one company or person. I think almost every chassis builder produces an integral bus for the European market. MAN has the Lion's City, Mercedes has the Citaro range, Scania has the OmniDekka/City range, Volvo has the 7/8/9##0 range. As far as I'm aware, Australia don't have integral(*) buses as most of the European integrals are too wide for our roads.

I'm open to being corrected, though. :lol:

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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby bussie » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:54 am

Mitch wrote:
drpeps wrote:As a kid, our family car was a 1936 Chevrolet. The chassis & running gear was made by General Motors and the body was made by the Holden Body Works company in South Australia. It had a Holden badge on it on the left hand mudguard down behind the front wheel just above the running board. Eventually, General Motors bought Holden, and the 48/215 (FX) Holden came into existance in 1948 as an 'integral' and most car makers have now moved over to producing the 'whole' car.


Unless I'm reading it wrong, I think you're getting confused. My understanding of an integral bus is that the bus is made entirely by the one company or person. I think almost every chassis builder produces an integral bus for the European market. MAN has the Lion's City, Mercedes has the Citaro range, Scania has the OmniDekka/City range, Volvo has the 7/8/9##0 range. As far as I'm aware, Australia don't have integral(*) buses as most of the European integrals are too wide for our roads.

I'm open to being corrected, though. :lol:

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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby busrider » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:28 am

Bustech ADi, CDi, MDi, SDi, TDi, XDi? I suppose there's the ADL Enviro 200 as well, but there's only one of those (integral version) in Australia that I'm aware of...
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby Mitch » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:42 am

Oh, you're right! I forgot about those!

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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby MaxHeadway » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:26 pm

drpeps wrote:Here's my shot of the rear of the Bova showing its badge in the rear window

Why is there a figure of 100 in (what's presumably) the speed limiter sign, given that speeds are in miles per hour? Is the UK switching to km in the near future?
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby wyth » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:42 am

That coach with the 100k on the boot is used for long haul tours to Europe, no, the UK is not switching!!!! Its still miles, feet, yards, inches, pints, LB's, ect...... When I visit friends in Northern Ireland, the distances are all in miles and milk is in a pint bottle, in Dublin, we still ask for a LB of butter, a pint of beer, when looking at cars, we ask whats the mileage!!!! How much to a gallon, how many furlongs in a mile, how many guineas in the next race!!! So, in a world gone mad thanks to Germany and their grip, the UK still uses imperial and so does the republic of Ireland to a big degree. BTW, theres a Dennis Hybrid in the pics above, a lovely bus, we had a Wright hybrid here in Dublin, on the pits more than on the road, we sold it last yr to Ensign who put it to use in their fleet in Essex rather than putting the bus for sale with their stock, they had it 3 weeks and it burst into flames.
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby drpeps » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:46 am

Also explains why the Parnham's coach is wearing European style numberplates with the GB on the plate, if it regularly flits off to Europe.

Even though most measurements in the UK are still in imperial units, strangely, fuel is sold by the litre!!!
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Re: Some of the buses I saw in Edinburgh.

Postby wyth » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:10 pm

ERM 163, (extended route master) above pics, this is the only one exteded this length, it was the subject on the model section recently here, its unique as the chassis was extended!!! BTW, the livery worn on the Enviro 400 Dennis Hybrid is the old style livery being re applied to buses as they go for repaints, the scattered diamonds was the tempory livery introduced to bridge the gap between their standard madder and cream and when the fleet would reach 100 low floor, Lothian is well respected and admired by councils all over Great Britain as they never sold out to the private operators.... their buses are imaculate and they use the old style cloth blinds rather than dot metrix and their seating material may still be leatherette...... Not 100% but they were up to recent. Edinburgh is beautiful, but Id be different to liking a Scottish city and prefer Glasgow, Glasgow is a friendlier place and has an underground metro.... rumour was THAT was budgeted for Dublin by Queen Victoria as a gift to Dublin as it was the jewel in the crown but prep work took a few yrs as is the case today and the queen died, the king visited Dublin and got a poor reception and rumour was it was his decision to cancel the project and move the metro to Glasgow instead although the prep work had been done in Dublin!
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