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Standing seats on Public Transport

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This hair brained idea of Ryan Air might work better on our trains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8779388.stm
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Swift wrote:This hair brained idea of Ryan Air might work better on our trains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8779388.stm
Bum rests are already in use in PT. These are in a B class tram in Melbourne:

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Not sure if they're all that much practicable and seem to take up a bit of space.
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Bum rests take less space than perimeter seating and give you something to lean on, making standing more comfortable. It allows more sardining of our services, part and parcel of living in a big city -as Sadiq Khan stated about terrorism attacks!
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tonyp wrote:Bum rests are already in use in PT. These are in a B class tram in Melbourne:

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Not sure if they're all that much practicable and seem to take up a bit of space.
In my opinion, that's some hair-brained pole placement there - you don't put poles right in front of dedicated standing spaces.
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Swift wrote:Bum rests take less space than perimeter seating and give you something to lean on, making standing more comfortable. It allows more sardining of our services, part and parcel of living in a big city -as Sadiq Khan stated about terrorism attacks!
Looking at that photo, I'd say that flip-up seats occupy less space.
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Quoting from above … "In my opinion, that's some hair-brained pole placement there - you don't put poles right in front of dedicated standing spaces."

The "hair-brained placement" is in fact opposite a door, where people naturally congregate. Anyone short could not reach the overhead straps, or through the people leaning on the bum rests to hold onto anything - therefore they are actually well placed and quite necessary.

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Thanks for pointing that out - just saw the Myki readers. In which case, flip-up seats would probably be preferable in that area - they're slimmer and thereby less intrusive than bum racks. Or a taller, very slightly angled version of what's to the left of this picture:
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^Is that one of those CAT thingomajiggos?

That looks to be a Perth Panther outside.
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yes @ swift, it's one of the former Perth CAT Dab Midcity minibuses

A little off topic, but going by Perthbus.info, one of them was going to be turned into a motorhome but it failed or didn't go according to plan.

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Swift wrote:^Is that one of those CAT thingomajiggos?

That looks to be a Perth Panther outside.
The old ones from 1996. You don't see any around these days, except for ex-CAT 5 which is with the BPSWA (Bus Preservation Society of WA).
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Another potential use for the Ryan Air standing seats could be for country school buses. School kids have a proclivity to walk around in the bus anyway and coupled with their youthful resilience, could put up with the prolonged standing more than most. It will allow a greater capacity with the added benefit of meeting restraint rules. An ideal use.
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Bus Suggestions wrote:. In which case, flip-up seats would probably be preferable in that area - they're slimmer and thereby less intrusive than bum racks. Or a taller, very slightly angled version of what's to the left of this picture:
Until someone actually uses them, then you lose any advantage. Very few passengers will stand in lieu of being able to sit down.
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boronia wrote:
Bus Suggestions wrote:. In which case, flip-up seats would probably be preferable in that area - they're slimmer and thereby less intrusive than bum racks. Or a taller, very slightly angled version of what's to the left of this picture:
Until someone actually uses them, then you lose any advantage. Very few passengers will stand in lieu of being able to sit down.
A compromise of part bum rests and fixed perimeter seating, so there is more space for crush load times, but availability of plenty of seats for the quiet times. Getting the proportion right is key.
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