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Re: Perth Compared with other cities

Postby boronia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 am

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Re: Perth Compared with other cities

Postby Swift » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Merc1107 wrote:A friendly reminder that we do have *a* Scania L94UA CNG demonstrator... Not that it goes out particularly much, given its entirely lacklustre performance these days (Try 0 to about 15km/h in about 10 seconds) compared to new, but it still exists nonetheless.


Why don't they just take it out the back to be shot? An easy way to make Perth a Scania free zone.
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Re: Perth Compared with other cities

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:32 pm

see www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=84940 for latest Perth patronage - not real good.
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Re: Perth Compared with other cities

Postby PaxInfo » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:48 am

Fleet Lists wrote:see viewtopic.php?f=7&t=84940 for latest Perth patronage - not real good.


Perth has probably the most hostile demographics for public transport usage in the country with its highest car ownership ratio https://chartingtransport.com/category/car-ownership/

Its urban form (like Brisbane and Canberra) is also not helpful.

It would be interesting to look at 1. The proportion of jobs that can be reasonably accessed by public transport that runs every 15 min or better from most homes (largely CBD and weekday daytime only jobs) and 2. its modal share for travel to such jobs.

For transport to jobs the most glaring network deficiency is their geographic distribution. If you work in Balcatta, Osborne Park, Malaga, O'Connor, Welshpool or Belmont your commute is (as a best case scenario) likely to be at least a bus then a train then a bus. This has substantial time penalties over driving on uncrowded (and sometimes crowded) roads. And if people own a car anyway (which they do in Perth) then usage of this if parking is 'free' can be compelling.

Even harder are the nature of the jobs themselves. A structural trend in the labour market has greatly eroded the proportion of jobs that are reasonably accessible by public transport. We can't do much about mobile jobs or those that require stuff to be carried. Or jobs that require driving your own car. Working hours might be a bit easier. Eg increasing evening services to 15 min would allow reasonable access to jobs that finish late. Here you've got public safety concerns kicking in. It would be interesting to look at evening patronage on routes like the 950 that already offer this level of service.

If we want the city form to reflect what we want with regards to transport usage then we should be seeking dense job clusters with only on-street or centralised paid parking. This is possibly even more important than population density. Still, housing policy can help with clusters around stations that tend to have lower car ownership than elsewhere.

The above has only discussed transport to jobs. It would be interesting to see how non-job transport has fared. More leisure events in the CBD is one solution but any substantial gain must be driven by increasing its use for off-peak suburban trips which are traditionally difficult to serve.
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Re: Perth Compared with other cities

Postby tonyp » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:21 am

Fleet Lists wrote:see viewtopic.php?f=7&t=84940 for latest Perth patronage - not real good.

This is far from new news in that it was also covered in the 2016 annual report. The end of the mining construction boom and increasing office vacancy rate/downturn of jobs in the CBD translates into a significant downturn in CBD patronage which is the main market for all Australian public transport systems (probably most in the world too). The fact remains that of all the smaller automobile-based Australian cities (that is apart from Sydney and Melbourne and to some extent Brisbane), Perth has had the greatest success in breaking into car use and increasing public transport mode share against somewhat overwhelming odds. It remains the exemplar in the Australian public transport scene.
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