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Mercedes wrote:1. State Transit Authority of New South Wales (2209 Buses) - Largest Bus Operator in Australia
2. ComfortDelgro Cabcharge (1529 Buses)
3. Ventura Group - (1321)
4. Brisbane City Council | Brisbane Transport (1271 Buses)
5. Veolia Transdev Australia (1046 Buses)
6. Transit Systems Australia (741 Buses)
7. Busways New South Wales (699 Buses)
8. Transit Australia Group (645 Buses)
9. Dineen Group (427)
10. ACTION ACT (416)

How does that look?
I would think Australian Transit Enterprises should be on the list, which then pushes ACTION off the list.

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Would be nice to see what the overall tally of route (and for those that are mixed school/route buses) buses is in each city? Obviously Sydney tops the list. How does everyone else rank? Perth has around 1270 buses, Adelaide is in the 900s I believe, how does all the other cities top up with the various operators? It's not just interesting to know, but can also give people an idea on which cities are more transport oriented, preference to car travel etc., not just population size.

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Well done Mercedes.Just my take on this.
Veolia Transdev should be 1111 buses.Add Bunbury with 33.Busselton with 23.That leaves them in 5th place.
-Australian Transit Enterprises have 836 by my reckoning comprising-
Link SA-95.
Path Transit Busselton-7.
Path Transit Kalgoorlie-16.
Path Perth-327.
Southlink Adelaide-391.
That puts ATE in 6th place.
How does that look?Cheers.

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Its my understand the PTA own the fleet in Perth and regional, Path own their training vehicle and veiola own a few privates in the west but the main fleet are government owned. Just what i was aware so PTA would have a pretty large fleet
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Yes the PTA fleet is government owned, but it is contracted to the various operators, and buses are leased as such, PTA isn't a bus operator itself. It is a service provider just like Admet, TfNSW etc.. PATH Transit, Veolia Transdev etc. are the operators.

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Its an interesting debate and one which really did not exist until recent years - the difference between an operator and an owner (there basically wasn't a difference!) - now the "owners" of the buses in Adelaide and Perth and arguably now also Sydney 's newer buses are most definitely not the "operators" of those same buses therefore in my view the "operators" are ATE, Veolia, LCB etc and not PTA in Perth or TSA in Adelaide.

In Sydney it becomes even more interesting as if you take the other view you would actually have to deduct a lot of the newer buses from the STA and private fleets as "operator" and transfer them to TfNSW thus reducing the size of the STA and other fleets. And of course not all buses in TfNSW livery are TfNSW owned as we have seen numerous older operator owned vehicles repainted after accidents/ refurbs etc into the new livery.

I think it only makes sense that the operator is the entity whose staff actually drive the buses.

Of course one day we will get an operator who subcontracts their staff from a labour hire company so that would stuff up even that definition!!
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From the Fleetlist, this seems to be the current state of play:
1. State Transit Authority of New South Wales (2165 Buses)
2. ComfortDelgro Cabcharge (1564 Buses)
3. Transdev (1557 Buses)
4. Brisbane Transport (1213 Buses)
5.Transit Systems (1060 Buses)
6. Australian Transit Enterprises (922 Buses)
7. Ventura Group (901 Buses)
8. Busways (831 Buses)
9. Transit Australia Group (659 Buses)
10. Dineen Group (438 Buses)
11. ACTION (417 Buses)
12. Buslink (404 Buses)
13. Pulitano Group (398 Buses)

Apologies if I have added up wrongly or missed any operators or their constituent companies.
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The only issue is that quite a few of the CDC buses are actually not in service after the loss of the Penrith and Bonnyrigg regions so in terms of active buses they would be below Transdev and probably closer to BTs numbers.
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Why be ashamed? I'm from Hong Kong - bus heaven! But I still love buses from around the world including Australia

Here's some outdated stats for Hong Kong, pop: 7mil, 1/10th the size of Sydney :D :

Kownloon Motor Bus - 3,807 (December 2012)
CityBus - 946 (July 2013)
Long Win Bus - 166
New World Bus - 704 (2012)
New Lantao Bus - 78

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Busways is currently 831 but this will go down in July by about 100 when they lose the Sydney region 15 contract. So 699 is still after that, on the low side.
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And CDC would be 1474 if the Westbus buses still listed, are excluded.
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As a result of discussion in http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewt ... =3&t=89772
1. ComfortDelgro Cabcharge (1572 Buses in New South Wales plus at least 521 in Victoria and not counting Buslink in Qld and NT) 2093
2. State Transit Authority of New South Wales (1453 Buses) lost Newcastle and Region 6
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According to the TSA website they operate about 2,300 buses in Australia - 800 in NSW, 700 in SA, 600 in WA, 168 in Vic and 34 in NT. They operate another 405 buses in London and 370 in Singapore.
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Which would move them up to number one but CDC could get close if we add the QLD and NT figures for Buslink.
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TAG and Skybus (whatever the group call themselves now) total 920, so also getting up there.

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Andy O wrote:TAG and Skybus (whatever the group call themselves now) total 920, so also getting up there.
ABC Magazine have reported the Skybus/TAG Parent company have relaunched as 'Kinetic Group'.
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