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Postby Simes » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:36 pm

Found an interesting one, seems in the mid 80's Merc came out with a chassi with the model number O402, it's basically a piecart/MAN toy. I guess they only sold them to Berlin?

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Postby Ben O » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:10 am

Can anyone explain what the difference between a Custom Coaches 510 and 516 body is?

With that front, I can see four different varities of this frontal design:
- Low floor (e.g. Kangaroo Bus Lines, QLD)
- Citybus (e.g. Westbus O405s)
- Medium height front (e.g. Buslink m/o 4094 Hino RG230)
- High front (e.g. MO 4298 at Marshall's, Moruya)

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Postby Windy » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:23 pm

510 has the bonded curved windscreen. The 516 has the flat rubber mounted windscreens (ie the Ex N&W and ex Baxter's O.405s, Shorelink and ex Baxters O.400s, etc.) There is another code for the flat windscreen like those on the Volvo B6RLEs at Hunter Valley Buses.
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Postby EK200 » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:36 pm

:evil: your joking


:arrow: were buses designed for the road or rails"
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Postby MAN 16.242 » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:13 pm

can any one tell what the differnt leteers on the elwoods stand.
e.g.Elwood HBA.what does the leteers afther elwood stand for :?:
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Postby The fat controller » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:50 pm

I remember B10M Volgrens with greyhound, however they had rear engines. Were they repositioned???
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Postby Member1100 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:23 pm

The fat controller wrote:I remember B10M Volgrens with greyhound, however they had rear engines. Were they repositioned???


Wouldnt that make them Volvo B10B buses??
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Postby The fat controller » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:28 am

No, the complience plate stated B10M They were single deck and double deckers
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Postby Simes » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:33 pm

I think they were called B10MC's? I recall there being discussion about these coaches a while back....
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Postby Windy » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:56 pm

Yeah, these were an odd-ball. I remember a fitter formerly from Greyhound telling me that the Volvo engines were mounted horizontally and when they got re-powered with GMs, they wanted to have them mounted vertically, but he left before they actually re-engined them, so he wasn't sure whether that actually happened... would have cost alot of $$$ to change the mounting brackets, etc.
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Postby The fat controller » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:38 pm

They did repower most of the Double deckers with 6v92 DDEC2's and ZF autos. They were unerpowered to buggery. Engine overheated up hils and gearbox overheated down hills because the retarder worked overtime.
The Volvo engines initially were a dry sump with an oil sight glass on the side, you simply looked at the glass and could check oil level. Actually not a bad idea! But they were absolute pigs to drive ( Deckers)
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Postby Maladjusted » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:10 pm

They all started out as B10M's, but Volgren Qld did a bit of cutting to the chassis to put in some thru bins, and passenger aisles. This was all looking terrific, but then they realised they needed to put the motor somewhere and the back looked a great place for it to go!

Volvo were not keen to make and send a rear engine coach to Australia, this is why Volgren had to make these mods to the B10M, they got approval for them from Volvo much later. Greyhound had several different designed bodies built by Volgren all with rear engine.

After Volgren Qld had closed, the B10C Prototype (now with Sheldon College Bris) was then manufactured at Wacol from (around 1989) however they were not that popular. Assembly stopped when the B12 came on line in 92. The Aust prototype is still with I believe Porrt Stephens.
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Postby VQ » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:37 pm

boronia wrote:Re Scanias:

The first trucks released here in the 60s were Model 80, not sure if the 0 was a predecessor to the 1,2,3,4 series. I don't think any buses came here in that era.

Confusingly the current 124 series can be specced with a 11 litre or 12 litre engine, there is no 114 model.

I've seen a 114 truck though....
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby Windy » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:54 pm

The Greyhound Scanias with Mills-Tui bodywork are on a Scania K114IB chassis.
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Postby CB80 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:46 pm

Windy wrote:HOCL = Hochboden Linienbus (high-floor rear engined buses)

A lot of the latest MAN's are coded HOCL-NL, for example 18.280 HOCL-NL. Does that mean it is technically coded as a rear engine high floor low entry?
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby Windy » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:36 pm

Yes.
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby PoweredByCNG » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:22 am

I think I may have posted this before, but I cannot find the post so here goes...

MAN Engine Designations

PREFIXES
All engine designations start with a single-letter prefix denoting engine type (i.e. fuel type).
D = Dieselmotor
E = Erdgasmotor (natural-gas engine)
G = (Flüssig)Gasmotor (LP-gas engine)
H = Hydrogen (Wasserstoff) motor

ENGINE DESCRIPTION
First two digits represents the cylinder bore diameter minus 100 (e.g. 2066 has 120mm bore, 2866 has 128mm bore)
Third digit represents stroke (someone let me know how this works - 2066 has 155mm stroke, 2876 has 166mm stroke)
Fourth digit represents the number of cylinders (0834 has 4 cylinders, 2066 has 6 cylinders)

SUFFIXES
All engine designations have a two-part suffix. The first part consists of a string of letters and denotes cylinder orientation (i.e. vertical or horizontal), intended application (i.e. front/rear installation, underfloor) and induction method (i.e. aspirated, turbo, turbo/intercooled). The second part consists of two digits and denotes engine variant. There seems to be no rhyme or rhythm to the last part of the suffix.
D = Naturally-aspirated engine
L = Ladaluftkühlung (turbocharged and charge-air cooled engine)
T = Turboaufladung (turbocharged engine without charge-air cooling)
O = Vertical engine for buses and coaches (Omnibusse)
U = For Underfloor installation on buses and coaches
F = For Front-engined applications on trucks, buses and coaches
H = Horizontal cylinders

EXAMPLES

D 2066 LOH 01: 6-cylinder diesel engine, 120mm x 155mm, turbocharged/intercooled with vertical cylinders for installation on buses or coaches, 320 PS

E 2876 LUH 02: 6-cylinder natural-gas engine, 128mm x 166mm, turbocharged/intercooled with horizontal cylinders for underfloor installation on buses or coaches, 310 PS

D 0834 LFL 50: 4-cylinder diesel engine, 108mm x 125mm, turbocharged/intercooled with vertical cylinders for installation at the front of a chassis on trucks, buses or coaches, 150 PS

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Re: Model numbers

Postby huppypuppy » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:36 pm

Deano wrote: Scania 113, comes in the L and K series. L113's are usually for citybuses, and K113's for Coaches/School Buses. 11 = 11 litre, and 3 = series 3. (3rd Generation of Scania Engine?). Likely, Scania 94, 9 Litre, series 4. and so on.


Deano,

The 3 and 4 at the end of Scania's model #'s denotes the chassis generation, NOT the engine generation!

Scania had 9 and 11 litre engines in the 3 Series chassis and 9, 11 and 12 litre engines in the 4 Series chassis!

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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby B7RLE » Fri May 08, 2009 9:32 pm

At work we have a list of buses in our fleet and there a new Volvo coach which has its model as the B7RSA does any one know what the SA means? :?

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Re: Re:

Postby huppypuppy » Fri May 08, 2009 10:05 pm

VQ wrote:
boronia wrote:Re Scanias:

The first trucks released here in the 60s were Model 80, not sure if the 0 was a predecessor to the 1,2,3,4 series. I don't think any buses came here in that era.

Confusingly the current 124 series can be specced with a 11 litre or 12 litre engine, there is no 114 model.

I've seen a 114 truck though....


Boronia,

There is a 114 in the buses and coaches - the truck engine is the same as the engine in the buses and coaches!

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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby Vitalstatistix » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:28 am

Would anyone know what HB stands for with a Scania F94HB?
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Postby bonbonizer69 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:54 pm

EK200 wrote::evil: your joking


:arrow: were buses designed for the road or rails"


ROFL. Buses were designed for road-rails :))
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby 2MSJ » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:22 am

Don't suppose you'd be able to shed any light on Csepels would you Windy?
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby Windy » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:16 pm

Sorry mate... not entirely sure on what the Csepel designations are.
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Re: Bus Model numbers

Postby johnson01 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:51 pm

courtesy of the Hino Malaysia website, the Hino RK and AK chassis is still under production! I believe it was first introduced in the late 1970s, and it is still produced in Malaysia, under licence. Perhaps this might make it the longest time a chassis has been produced?
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