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Aviation unreliability

Postby Roderick Smith » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:50 pm


October 30 2017 Flights between Canberra and Sydney most likely to be cancelled, new data shows .
Flights between Canberra and Sydney topped the nation for cancellations last month, with nearly two flights a day not running and concerns of wider problems on the route.
Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development statistics from September showed cancellations were highest on Canberra to Sydney and Sydney to Canberra flights at 8.1 per cent, ahead Sydney to Melbourne flights at 7.5 per cent and Melbourne to Sydney at 7.4 per cent.
More than 8 per cent of flights between Canberra and Sydney were cancelled.
There were 59 cancelled flights on both the Canberra to Sydney route and Sydney to Canberra, far higher than the 30 cancellations between Canberra and Melbourne in the same period.
In September, Qantas cancelled 32 flights from Sydney to Canberra, 6.8 per cent of its schedule for the month, while Virgin cancelled 27 flights, or 10.5 per cent.
Qantas cancelled 31 flights in the other direction, or 6.6 per cent, while Virgin cancelled 28 flights, or 10.9 per cent of its schedule.
Nationally, cancellations represented 2.7 per cent of all scheduled flights, up from 1.7 per cent a month earlier.
The national rate of cancellations was higher than the long term average of 1.4 per cent, the figures showed.
Nationally, airlines Jetstar, Qantas, QantasLink, Regional Express, Tiger, Virgin and Virgin Australia Regional averaged 79.3 per cent for on time arrivals in the month and 80.6 per cent for on time departures.
Frustrated travellers faced three cancelled Qantas flights in three hours on Thursday alone, with frustration added to by weather-related delays in Canberra.
Qantas ground crew at Sydney Airport told ticket holders the repeated delays for flights to the capital were caused by staffing shortages and competing priorities on other routes.
One passenger was told on the phone two cancellations in one day on the Sydney to Canberra route were caused by mechanical issues, before later being told by ground staff it was because Qantas didn't have enough crew members to fly on other routes.
Fairfax Media asked Qantas about the cancellations on Friday morning, but did not receive a response to questions from the airline.
A Virgin Australia spokeswoman said there were not ongoing problems on Sydney to Canberra route.
"Cancelling flights is never our preference but unfortunately we do occasionally need to change services due to adverse weather, operational requirements or other factors outside our control.
"We understand this can be frustrating for our guests and we appreciate their patience and understanding," she said.
In the 2016-17 financial year, the routes with the highest cancellation rates included leisure flights between Sydney and Hamilton Island at 5.0 per cent, followed by the Canberra and Sydney and Moranbah and Brisbane routes at 4.6 per cent.
The Sydney to Canberra route had 4.2 per cent cancellations, matched by Sydney to Melbourne, Melbourne to Sydney, Brisbane to Moranbah and Rockhampton to Brisbane routes.
By comparison in September, there were no cancelled flights between Canberra and Adelaide and three between Canberra and Brisbane.
Canberra Airport did not comment on the cancellation rates.
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* This is why we need high speed rail between Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne.
* no surprise. Whilst inconvient to passengers for sure it is easy for airlines to cancel flights CBR-SYD because there are so many flights in a day, is the effect to the airline is relatively minor. Effect to passenger different story of course.
Also the same aircraft is often used on the CBR-SYD router throughout the day, especially the dash 8’s, so cancelling a flight and keeping the aircraft on the ground can help the schedule later on in the day stay on track. Again inconvenient for the passenger on the cancelled fligh(s) but better for the airline and passengers later on in the day.
Very few routes elsewhere in the country have the combination of lots of (not so full) flights and same operating aircraft.
* High speed rail, the only answer.
* wish we had a fast train between Syd and Cbr
* When you are often scheduled for flights every 30 minutes, you have a system designed for flights to be cancelled to make it profitable.
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby Bjwh86 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:53 am

Even returning flights

This is current at time of post of tigerair Australia flight TT664 Canberra to Melbourne.Image

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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby boronia » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:12 pm

Going back a few years, it was not uncommon for flights on high frequency routes such as SYD-CBR and SYD-MEL to be cancelled due to low level of passenger bookings. Pax would be given the option of rebooking on earlier or later flights; this was done well before the likelihood of "operational issues" becoming the problem. Probably still happens, I had at least one Jetstar booking re-allocated a couple of years ago, about a week before the flight.
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby BroadGauge » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:24 pm

Bjwh86 wrote:Even returning flights

This is current at time of post of tigerair Australia flight TT664 Canberra to Melbourne.

Not a great start to the week for Tigerair's Canberra services. Yesterday's TT662 (CBR to MEL) departed four hours late (I would know as I was on it) :twisted:
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby system improver » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:26 pm

Planes refuse to stay in the air when their engines conk out.
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby boronia » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:16 pm

Unless they are Irish?
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby 1whoknows » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:27 am

Several factors are at work here. Firstly you have the pollies who fly in at the beginning of the week and out at the end but those seats are not needed during the rest of the week, Capacity is needed when there are gatherings of public servants from around the country in Canberra or when groups of Feds travel round the States but there is no consistency to this traffic - could be heaps on Tuesday and bugger all on Wednesday. Though you'd be amazed how many C/W -State meetings occur in Melb the day before or after Cup Day etc!! And similar in other states round big events. And this is public servants not just pollies.

High speed rail is currently non viable and is likely to remain so for several decades yet in my opinion. Cant see Roderick or myself making the trip in this lifetime.

However the express coach services, Murrays in particular, do very good business with hourly or better departures, a trip of not much more than three hours, and can easily scare up a coach for a second or third division when needed. The timing is probably only one hour more cbd to cbd than compared to a flight and two cbd/ airport transfers would be.

I frequently fly with Virgin and have never had a cancellation yet (probably just doomed myself for the next flight eh?) and not too much in the way of lateness unless its been general - like storms affecting all flights in and out of Sydney for example.

However on the several occasions I tried on Jetfail they cancelled or delayed every trip. One time they moved the flight earlier and forgot to email me!! They have incurred a permanent ban unless no other option is available. Have never tried Tiger so cant really comment about them but have heard some bad stories from others.
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Re: Aviation unreliability

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:10 pm

boronia wrote:Unless they are Irish?

Good to see a very old joke revived!
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