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422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Dave Wilson » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:50 pm

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There was a post with discussion about the Budds and Tullochs. I just found the this photo:
42205 halls a mixture of Budd and Tulloch cars up the grade out of Kogarah towards Carlton on a Sth Coast passenger. 13/10/90
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby STA 1440 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:02 pm

Are you sure that the last three "cars" are actually cars or perhaps Railcars, maybe? :wink:

Great picture too.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Dave Wilson » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Yes that's right - they were Budd railcars that had been de-engined and made into loco hauled stock.Same with the leading cars.I forget exactly, but by 1990 there wasn't much,if any, country stock left in reasonable condition for use on loco hauled services. The SRA in all its wisdom had allowed stored cars to deteriorate including air conditioned RUB and HUB set carriages from the old Newcastle/ Riverina /Intercapital Daylight Expresses etc . A few of the latter cars were refurbished, including at least one buffet car, which was converted into a sitting car.This was preposterous as no alteration was made to the windows in the galley - which were way above seated eyesight level! Someone else might be able to expend on all this ancient history.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby STA 1440 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:19 pm

DE-ENGINED!!! I'm outraged deeply! :evil:

Theres nothing quite like a Detroit diesel powered Railcar. :wink:
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby system improver » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:41 pm

Not sure whether you have seen it, but chapter 20 in Volume 2 of A History of Comeng by John Dunn is dedicated to this vehicle. There are some lovely pictures and wealth of information about construction and lifetimes of these 'Budd-type' railcars. It is a marvellous publication (just like Volume 1).
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby VIKing » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:51 pm

I am pretty certain that both the Budd and Tulloch cars ceased operation as self propelled vehicles after a derailment at Erskineville in February 1983. They were de-engined then and used as carriages from later in that year. I was caught up in the delays that day, that's how I can remember the incident.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby jac » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:29 pm

The Budd railcar concept allowed any number of units, from one to whatever was the practical limit, to run in service.

With the benefit of hindsight, the Budds could have been used on any daylight express service, especially on main lines with a number of connecting secondary lines and longer branch lines.

The Tulloch cars were an attempt to emulate this concept on the Riverina Express but their performance and reliability never reached any great heights.

John Dunn in his book A History of Comeng Volume 2 documents the Budd car story very well.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby On Air » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:05 pm

In the book "Rail Motors and XPTs" the Budd and Riverina saga gives the reader a pretty good indication that although the concept of multiple unit diesel rail cars was merited the application by the NSWGR was as with most things of the era expected to run on the hot air of managers and the spin of the politicians of the day. The thing that was most obvious to me was the paucity of redundancy built into the timetables for these cars and the rate at which they were flogged to achieve the above. No wonder unreliability crept into the cars at an early stage and as an expediency, traveling fitters, emulating the role of flight engineer in a Lancaster bomber prodded, thumped and tinkered these cars from terminus to terminus in a vain effort to keep them going.

I used to travel in these cars almost every weekend during school holidays. I used to think the bloke in the grey dust coat was a special conductor!!On one trip the fitter came rushing through, tool box in hand muttering something unprintable under his breath. As we rounded a corner I realized he was rushing forward to the leading (Budd) car to make a difference to the white smoke pouring from under the car!

When you think about it now it seems amazing that such a situation existed with our trains. But, just as with our once beautiful fleet of loco hauled cars the concept of a dynamic, flexible railcar system was allowed to slide into the depths of political disdain, like every thing else mongrel politicians are allowed to control, seemingly coerced by the all powerful road and air lobby.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby paulbrown3 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:22 pm

I also caught the SCDE ( south coast daylight express) and the 7:00 tullouch diesel hauled train when they used to run and I remember the converted buffet car/1st class budd. I travelled in it now and then. Seats were a mixture from I think DGT era cars.

I know 2 ex NSW tullochs that went to vic are still there & there was an ad. in RD about someone selling 2 tulloch cars, what has happened to the rest
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby melbtransport » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:26 pm

Very nice photo there :D How old is that photo?
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby R707 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:05 pm

paulbrown3 wrote:I also caught the SCDE ( south coast daylight express) and the 7:00 tullouch diesel hauled train when they used to run and I remember the converted buffet car/1st class budd. I travelled in it now and then. Seats were a mixture from I think DGT era cars.

I know 2 ex NSW tullochs that went to vic are still there & there was an ad. in RD about someone selling 2 tulloch cars, what has happened to the rest


The Vic ones are now DRC42 and DRC43, from PCH1225 and 1227 if memory serves me correctly and I remember codes. Both are still around and operational, 42 is locked up with DRC41 in East Block at Newport while DRC43 is with SRHC. They got V/Line seat covers down here, presumably when painted orange.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Andrew » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:50 am

Ahhh candy - the good 'ole days.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Windy » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:54 am

There's still a handful of V-set motor cars which still have the candy livery on the front... so the era is almost ending, some 15 years after!
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Albion Victor » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:45 pm

A couple of photos of Tulloch railcars that I have found. The V/Line specimen is ex NSWGR stock, the one in Canberra is in loco hauled form. I do have some others around somewhere.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Thirroul » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:03 am

There is another car, presumably DRC40, operational and restored to original outer condition at Daylesford Victoria. The unit runs a return dinner special weekly I believe.

The unreliability of the NSW Tulloch Railcars earned them the nickname of F111's, a parody of the RAAF fighters, which, at the time were also making regular headlines for their unreliability!
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Albion Victor » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:47 am

:) There is a Tulloch railcar at Cowra NSW, used as a shop of some description at a van park that has rail memorabilia on site.
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby bjmate » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:53 am

There were 5 Budd Railcars built with 4 of them being demotored to be used as locohauled rollingstock, the remaining 1 carriage was destroyed by fire. the remaining 4 Budds were scrapped in 1998.
There were 10 Tulloch Railcars built with 8 being converted to demotored locohauled rollingstock & the other 2 sold to the VR. only 1 Tulloch railcar was scrapped this being former PCR1201.
The remaining 9 Tulloch railcars being
1202 & 1226 stored Woodstock QLD
1203 & 1223 Cowra Fun Museum
1221 Canberra Museum
1222 & 1225 P/O Mugincoblw NSW
1224 & 1227 sold to VR
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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Rclasstramcar » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:46 pm

jac wrote:John Dunn in his book A History of Comeng Volume 2 documents the Budd car story very well.

No.1 also mentions them.

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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Rclasstramcar » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:12 pm

bjmate wrote:1222 & 1225 P/O Mugincoblw NSW

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Re: 422 Class and Budd /Tulloch Cars

Postby Rclasstramcar » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:25 pm

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