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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby User xxx » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:39 pm

According to information 1010 was last heard of at the toll yard at sandgate newcastle nsw in stripped down condition from there what of been the fate 1010 I didn`t that note of what year it was but that was the last resting place of 1010 two types AEC Q chassis AEC Q 15ft 10in wheelbase with AEC A167 PETROL ENGINE D129 GEARBOX AEC Q AEC A170 7.7 DIESEL ENGINE WITH MECHANICAL PRE SELECT GEARBOX route660.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby leopard1543 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:05 pm

On Air wrote:
leopard1543 wrote:I agree and I also think the AEC Q was a really modern looking bus for it year. It reminds me of the Atlantean in a way. Certainly way ahead of its time for a 1930's built bus :!:


I agree wholeheartedly with 1010 being ahead of its time, but the Atlantean? If you look back to when the Atlantean was introduced, the chassis we acquired were in fact a "special" and retrograde order just for the UTA who demanded a bus that would suit their short pits. Every other country that was running Atlanteans got a far better bus than we did here-and kept on running them right up until the late nineties. Ours didn't even have air suspension and had to be modified in the build to suit our axle loading regulations at the time.

Still, they were a nice bus to ride in and I was sad to see them go in 1986.


I never liked the Atlanteans that much. When I joined the UTA in 1984 there was only a handful remaining. I only got to drive one (Brookvale's 1157). The first one I ever remember seeing was 1003 on the Harbour Bridge in 1970 and the first Eastern one I remember was Randwick's 1058 on a route 360 back in 1971.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby boronia » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:23 pm

AEC Decker wrote:If the DRT & T had preselector buses in 1934, why did they go back to crash boxes and syncos, and then reintroduce preselectors in 1948 with AEC decker 1792 ?. :?
AND from the modern full front cab design of 1010 back to the ½ cab deckers ?. :?
What was 1010s fate ? and would it be possible to build a replica of this ahead of its' time bus ?.

The early preselectors were a mechanically operated system, and probably very high maintenance to get reliability. I had a Daimler car with mechanical preselect, and unless the linkages were spot on with alignment I had all sorts of problems getting gears. The post war bus system was air operated and presumably a bit more refined.

The half cab design would have simplified servicing, and given better kerb side vision for the driver.

Build a replica?? Is there a Renown chassis lying around somewhere??
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby User xxx » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:34 pm

Well if we can`t have 1010 rip we can alway go flog this one in ENGLAND this one fully restored and doing rallys over there as there was a two and a three axle aec renown chassis here is a couple more I borrowed these from the aec site I hope the photo size is alright the top photo I replaced with this one it looks better it is the same bus route660.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:40 pm

boronia wrote:Build a replica?? Is there a Renown chassis lying around somewhere??

Well not actually lying around, but ROUTE660 found one to use as reference. :D
ROUTE660 wrote:Well if we can`t have 1010 rip we can alway go flog this one in ENGLAND this one fully restored and doing rallys over there as there was a two and a three axle aec renown chassis route660.

There you go, get your measuring tape, pencil and paper out and away you go. :wink: :lol:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby Dave Wilson » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:43 pm

I once fed a Renown chassis grapes that was lying around on a chaise longue. Could have been 1010's
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby boronia » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:01 pm

AEC Decker wrote:Well not actually lying around, but ROUTE660 found one to use as reference. :D

There you go, get your measuring tape, pencil and paper out and away you go. :wink: :lol:

Righto Sir, I'll get onto it as soon as I've finished with the Dennis. :!:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:03 pm

Dave Wilson wrote:I once fed a Renown chassis grapes that was lying around on a chaise longue. Could have been 1010's

What ? :?
Please explain D.W. :?

Bucket loads of AEC Renowns HERE. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby boronia » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:17 pm

He's been at Minnie Bannister's sherry again. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:03 pm

boronia wrote:Righto Sir, I'll get onto it as soon as I've finished with the Dennis. :!:

Good show old boy, that's the spirit :!: :wink: :lol:
boronia wrote:He's been at Minnie Bannister's sherry again. :mrgreen:

You probably can hear the melody of Bloodnok's Rock'n'Roll Call or The Ying Tong Song coming from Dave Wilsons' house. :wink: :lol:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby On Air » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:54 am

Get away you naughty man. Thinks, sinking into underpants and brown paper bags-ahyoi!
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby leopard1543 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:31 pm

They are great photos "ROUTE660". Thanks for sharing them :!:
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby KBS » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:15 pm

GM wrote:System Improver Eric Newhams Leyland I forgot to post. GM

GM Do you have any other photos of Eric Newhams Buses or fleetlist? and the photo showing the Leyland Chassis is this the same vehicle, Eric was my uncle and I too am in the industry as a operator.I have some photos but any others would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby Foden-nut » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:55 pm

Windy,
I promised you a diagram of how the engine was removed from a Foden, well here it is with a little bit of explanatory text. I hope it all makes sense now.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:56 pm

Foden-nut wrote:Windy,
I promised you a diagram of how the engine was removed from a Foden, well here it is with a little bit of explanatory text. I hope it all makes sense now.
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Very interesting Foden-nut, the workshop manuals in those days were a work of art, especially the highly detailed chassis and parts photos. Post some of those please. :D
What relation was ERF to Foden ?.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby User xxx » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:15 pm

Here is something for foden nut something to look at I found these hope you like them route660.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby boronia » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:29 pm

ERF was formed by E R Foden, part of the original Foden company, but split from the family to go into competition with them.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby STA 1440 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:40 pm

ROUTE660 wrote:File comment: FODEN RURAL BUS
foden_germiston-161_sh329.jpg


Wow, I just love the look of this bus, it's like a perect mix between an EDSA Hino and PMCSA B58 bodies (almost). :lol:
Whereabouts was this unit located?

Any current info on it?

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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby Dave Wilson » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:45 pm

B58 Howler wrote:Wow, I just love the look of this bus, it's like a perect mix between an EDSA Hino and PMCSA B58 bodies (almost). :lol:
Whereabouts was this unit located?


There is a Germiston in South Africa.Looks agricultural as well as rural.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:46 pm

boronia wrote:ERF was formed by E R Foden, part of the original Foden company, but split from the family to go into competition with them.

Edwin Richard Foden was his name as found on Wikipedia
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby User xxx » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:49 pm

B58 howler that foden rural bus is in south afirica but if you to look for more foden buses just do what I and type in foden buses pictures and is amazing what comes up and here is a converted foden coach in new zealand route660.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby Swift » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:50 pm

I had no idea ERF was a spinoff from the Foden make.My bank of knowledge has just increased today.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby GM » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:14 pm

System Improver, I had not noticed the damage to Eric Newhams Leyland till I saw it enlarged on the post.
It was quite possible it had been returned to MBA for repairs.

On Air, I worked for both Clyde Engineering & Goninans. The amount of interference from the Railway Depts was unbelievable.
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby GM » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:48 pm

KBS I have posted the only other Eric Newham photos I can find at the moment, but I will look further into my archives to see what others I may have.
Eric sold out to Jones Bros but I do not know when. I will continue to look for further information. GM
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Re: Dgt Aec Renown 1010 and Aec Qs

Postby AEC Decker » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:24 pm

GM wrote:Newham E - MO xxxx White MBA 35 - MBA Camperdown 13.09.1948

I suppose the wheel arch "spats" were fitted to make the bus look streamlined and modern, also the bus is yet to be registered as you can see the trade plate hanging off the front bumper.

And is that a Morgan or an MG parked behind the White ?. :shock:

Was MBA Camperdown on the south western corner of Parramatta Rd and Missenden Rd ?. :?
If it is why did I see DGT AEC underfloors in and about that building in the 1960s ?. :?
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