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Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:26 pm

Further to Red & Cream's photos of Trams out to Pasture, here are a few from my collection.

I will post a couple of photos at a time, as I am still sorting out all my old negs.

AT the moment I cannot find the numbers of the trams depicted, perhaps R&C, Dave or others can assist??
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:33 pm

A large farming property near Joadja was home to many trams, which have been discussed here previously. There were also some railway carriages. This photo shows a row of R/R1 cars and an ex NSWGR EAM sleeper.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:43 pm

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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:58 pm

C 37 was acquired by a collector from the Byron Bay tramway (I think R&C has previously poted some shots of this car in service). It later passed to the Parra Park steam tramway before ending up in the Tradesmen's Club in Canberra.

The same collector got O 1424 from a children's home in Bondi. Parra Park got some seats and fitticngs from it, then it was trucked down to Jervis Bay for Navy target practice.

Both trams are pictured here on a property near castle Hill / West Pennant Hills.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Dave Wilson » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:13 pm

In the first BEGA photo we see PR1 class 1517 as the first car

In the second it is O 1053 (the only Enfield O car I think to be sold) and P 1728 Other Ps were 1735 (ran on the last night of the Ryde line) and 1737 the last P built.

In the Joadja photo, the nearest car is modified R 1937 and a glimpse of O breakdown 142s can be also seen. The carriage in the background is the solitary and exotic FAM. All were burnt deliberately during a bushfire outbreak Ca 1980. Other R1s in the line up were 1996 2027 and 2076. 2076 was the last regular service car to Athol Wharf.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:47 pm

This was another Joadja car
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An R at the Dalmar Childrens Home, Carlingford
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:54 pm

1870 and 1974 at Milperra
Correction: 1870 and 1874
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2060 ended up with the RSPCA at Orange.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Dave Wilson » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:06 pm

Milperra cars I think were actually 1870 and 1874.1750 was also down the road.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:12 pm

Correct, it was 1874, just a typo on my part.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Dave Wilson » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:18 pm

2060 is still in the Orange area as far as I know. I think that white coloured prewar R1 at Joadja was 1984
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby mosman was » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:55 am

My notes are 1870 & 1874 burnt 6\68, 2060 resold by '71 in the Oberon area, 1864 was at Carlingford, resold to Newcastle museum, 1931 burnt 7\69 & 1750 burnt 3\68. 1984 burnt by 2\79.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby mosman was » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:00 am

My notes are 1870 & 1874 burnt 6\68, 2060 resold by '71 in the Oberon area, 1884 was at Carlingford, resold to Newcastle museum, 1931 burnt 7\69 & 1750 burnt 3\68. 1984 burnt by 2\79.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Red and Cream » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:21 pm

Great collection of trams in paddocks boronia, i did not get to see the trams at Joadja before they were burnt and had no idea they had those magnificent old end platformed sleeping cars there, so that was new territory for me.
It is bad enough that the trams were burnt but the interiors of those old sleeping cars had about 9 sleeping compartments that were panelled and partitioned with some of the most wonderful varnished timbers that you were ever likely to see. Shame on that criminal act. :cry:
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:37 pm

Dave Wilson wrote:Milperra cars I think were actually 1870 and 1874.1750 was also down the road.

This austerity bus was very close to the two trams, if not on the same property.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby r_rogel » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:07 pm

Is 1737 still exist?
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Rclasstramcar » Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:26 pm

r_rogel wrote:Is 1737 still exist?


The only surviving Ps that I know of are 1729, 1497, one in the PHM's collection ( :?: ) and another owned by the STM which is currently stored in Bendigo.

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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Dave Wilson » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:48 pm

1727 is still in Bega (it's a total wreck though) and 1700 is at the Seashore Museum in the US.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Rclasstramcar » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:27 pm

mosman was wrote:1864 was at Carlingford

or
mosman was wrote:1884 was at Carlingford


What car was it, please?

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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby vernbale » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:41 pm

I can't see any pics in this thread, why?, it only shows 172u15j.jpg for example, is that my computer? :(
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby boronia » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:58 am

The thread is over 2 years old.

The pictures have probably been removed from the server.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Rail Bus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:41 am

Red & Cream and Boronia, could you please re-post your pics??? I have been going through this and other tram-related topics tonight and would like to be able to view your pics. I feel a tram hunt is coming on... :D
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Tramtastic » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:33 pm

I enjoyed very much reading about the disposal of our beloved trams. I noted with great interest the photos of the Commer 'Knocker' and the Federal lorries hauling trams along bush tracks. It has been mentioned that the locations mentioned were near Berrima Junction. Having lived at nearby Moss Vale, I can say that this is not the case. I think the photos concerned could have been at or near Greenstead, not far from Joadja. The woman who owned 'Greenstead' didn't like tram enthusiasts entering her property to photograph trams, and refused permission to do so. The sleeping car had been infested with termites at the time of its destruction. Most of the trams there had been painted green all over. One exception was R1 1984.

There were two trams near Berrima Junction; these were pre-war R1 cars 1995 and 1998. The latter was still there in 1995. R1 1998 was painted in the same shade of green as those at Greenstead, so it is quite possible that this was acquired from Greenstead.

Tram R1 1948 was located at Colo Vale, between Thirlmere and Aylmerton. R1 1949 and R 1752 were located at a sawmill near Colo Heights, on the Putty Road between Windsor and Singleton. Both had been fitted with corrugated iron roofs, and were used as employee barracks, so isolated was this location.

During 2004, I saw an unknown R class car on a low-loader at Wellington, whilst passing through on a train. A few days later I was able to visit the property concerned, but unfortunately I am unable to recall where the owner said the tram was going to.

I recall visiting the Public Transport Commission archives, and seeing a list of the trams disposed of. This could now be in State Records at Kingswood (near Penrith) but with so many books, photos and documents destroyed from the P.T.C. and its successor, the State Rail Authority, this list may well have also been a victim of destruction.

There used to be three 'N' cars at Fitzroy Falls; they were acquired and placed next to a cottage there in 1950. Extensions were made to the house in the 1980s, and I think the trams might have gone at that time.

I heard that one or more of the cars from the Warrumbungle Mountains were taken to North Sydney, at the site of the former tram depot. For reasons I have long forgotten, they were hastily disposed of, and the cars ended up at country locations. I also heard that at least one of the cars now in the old Rozelle depot building came from Wee Waa, or thereabouts.

A friend once owned R1 1951, one of the cars painted in special colours for Queen Elizabeth's visit in 1954. It was a much travelled vehicle, having moved with him from Sydney to Tarcutta, then from there to Sutton Forest. I believe it is now in Bendigo.

There are many stories regarding the burning and disposal of cars at Randwick. Many years ago an apprentice electrician was engaged in stripping cars of electrical equipment, which itself was going to be destroyed. He kept a couple of parts for mementoes, and was dismissed for his efforts.

I hope that all this is of interest.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Tramtastic » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:35 pm

I enjoyed very much reading about the disposal of our beloved trams. I noted with great interest the photos of the Commer 'Knocker' and the Federal lorries hauling trams along bush tracks. It has been mentioned that the locations mentioned were near Berrima Junction. Having lived at nearby Moss Vale, I can say that this is not the case. I think the photos concerned could have been at or near Greenstead, not far from Joadja. The woman who owned 'Greenstead' didn't like tram enthusiasts entering her property to photograph trams, and refused permission to do so. The sleeping car had been infested with termites at the time of its destruction. Most of the trams there had been painted green all over. One exception was R1 1984.

There were two trams near Berrima Junction; these were pre-war R1 cars 1995 and 1998. The latter was still there in 1995. R1 1998 was painted in the same shade of green as those at Greenstead, so it is quite possible that this was acquired from Greenstead.

Tram R1 1948 was located at Colo Vale, between Thirlmere and Aylmerton. R1 1949 and R 1752 were located at a sawmill near Colo Heights, on the Putty Road between Windsor and Singleton. Both had been fitted with corrugated iron roofs, and were used as employee barracks, so isolated was this location.

During 2004, I saw an unknown R class car on a low-loader at Wellington, whilst passing through on a train. A few days later I was able to visit the property concerned, but unfortunately I am unable to recall where the owner said the tram was going to.

I recall visiting the Public Transport Commission archives, and seeing a list of the trams disposed of. This could now be in State Records at Kingswood (near Penrith) but with so many books, photos and documents destroyed from the P.T.C. and its successor, the State Rail Authority, this list may well have also been a victim of destruction.

There used to be three 'N' cars at Fitzroy Falls; they were acquired and placed next to a cottage there in 1950. Extensions were made to the house in the 1980s, and I think the trams might have gone at that time.

I heard that one or more of the cars from the Warrumbungle Mountains were taken to North Sydney, at the site of the former tram depot. For reasons I have long forgotten, they were hastily disposed of, and the cars ended up at country locations. I also heard that at least one of the cars now in the old Rozelle depot building came from Wee Waa, or thereabouts.

A friend once owned R1 1951, one of the cars painted in special colours for Queen Elizabeth's visit in 1954. It was a much travelled vehicle, having moved with him from Sydney to Tarcutta, then from there to Sutton Forest. I believe it is now in Bendigo.

There are many stories regarding the burning and disposal of cars at Randwick. Many years ago an apprentice electrician was engaged in stripping cars of electrical equipment, which itself was going to be destroyed. He kept a couple of parts for mementoes, and was dismissed for his efforts.

I hope that all this is of interest.
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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Rclasstramcar » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:16 pm

Tramtastic wrote:I heard that one or more of the cars from the Warrumbungle Mountains were taken to North Sydney, at the site of the former tram depot. For reasons I have long forgotten, they were hastily disposed of, and the cars ended up at country locations. I also heard that at least one of the cars now in the old Rozelle depot building came from Wee Waa, or thereabouts.
It'd be interesting to see if the former O breakdown car is there.

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Re: Trams in paddocks

Postby Rail Bus » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:09 am

A report I was reading last night says that atleast 4 of the 5 trams in the old depot at Rozelle are still there. These are all R and R1 cars, no service stock or any other classes. Considering it is now 51 years since that last trams ran in Sydney, and many cars were disposed of well before 1960, there is minimal chance of finding anything worth salvaging for potential re-use. An exception would be one or two corridor cars in the outer Sydney area, and the remaining trams at Lightning Ridge.
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