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New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Dave C » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:22 pm

Some quick shots of SB 78 BL taken today during its first test run.

At the Hackney Rd/Bundeys Rd intersection about the enter the track.
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About to arrive at PBI on the up (not the best shot but good enough).
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Sitting at PBI with MB O305 #524 parked behind.
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Entering the track at Park Tce, note no rear window and the position of the vents.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby FrederickRd113 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:26 pm

very nice i like it, looks nice but still a custom coaches body on it. does any one know how it went ?
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Leigh » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:28 pm

Stupid question, but why would the vents be so high?

(Btw, nice pics Dave!)
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Postby PoweredByCNG » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:31 pm

Probably for engine ventilation, as engines fitted with EGR are subject to higher thermal stresses.

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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Dave C » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:34 pm

Ive had a closer look at one of the guide wheels and they look worn which means the bus may have been out testing already (perhaps at night.....wonder why), also the guide arms a re quite dirty along with the wheel arch.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Busnerd » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:58 pm

Perhaps they have a few pairs of guide wheels that they use for test buses and whenever they want to test another bus they just use the same ones.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Dave C » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:02 pm

Busnerd wrote:Perhaps they have a few pairs of guide wheels that they use for test buses and whenever they want to test another bus they just use the same ones.


They would use new guide wheels as older ones may be out of shape causing vibrations etc, a fresh set would be more suffice for testing ride quality.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Norman » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:54 pm

Nice scoop there Dave, hope we can find an artic soon.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby 2MSJ » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:17 pm

I can't believe it..

I got a call & SMS as I was on my way to the airport at about 0800 this morning...I thought(and was hoping) it was a cruel joke :x
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Crispy! » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:41 pm

That would be a Scania K270UA wouldnt it ?
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Mercedes » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:20 pm

Nathan C wrote:That would be a Scania K270UA wouldnt it ?


Most likley a K310UA as I would think a K270 artic would be grossly underpowered for the job.



Great pics


Also what is it with Adelaide and not using LED lights?
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby CB80 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:23 pm

Mercedes wrote:Also what is it with Adelaide and not using LED lights?

No idea. Really makes them look way behind the times though.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby LowRider » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:49 pm

CB60 wrote:
Mercedes wrote:Also what is it with Adelaide and not using LED lights?

No idea. Really makes them look way behind the times though.


It'd be the cost of them I'd guess. Our government is fairly tight on cash that they expend...
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Simes » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:50 pm

Leigh wrote:Stupid question, but why would the vents be so high?

(Btw, nice pics Dave!)


PoweredByCNG wrote:Probably for engine ventilation, as engines fitted with EGR are subject to higher thermal stresses.

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Most CB60 EvoII's have their vents down below where the window is (or would be), also note where the numberplate is. My theory is that someone along the way wants to wack superback ads on em. Since the vent seems to be at the same level that the ads buspak used to put on the backs of STA L113's before the fullbacks started happening......
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby The Inspector » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:56 pm

Thanks for teasing me with the sms today knowing fully well I couldn't get there to se it :twisted:

Great pics anyway, I see Scania are still trying everything they can to get the contract. Cant wait til a Merc artic gets put through its paces :wink:
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby VQ » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:09 pm

LowRider wrote:No idea. Really makes them look way behind the times though.


It'd be the cost of them I'd guess. Our government is fairly tight on cash that they expend...[/quote]
Then there's the man power hours of replacing the failed globes and when the lenses and lens bases break from being undone and done up, it works out cheaper..
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby LowRider » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:06 pm

VQ wrote:
LowRider wrote:No idea. Really makes them look way behind the times though.


It'd be the cost of them I'd guess. Our government is fairly tight on cash that they expend...

Then there's the man power hours of replacing the failed globes and when the lenses and lens bases break from being undone and done up, it works out cheaper..[/quote]

Yes, it works out cheaper in the end, but not when they are being made at the start and thats what the Govt would care about, replacing bulbs isn't the concern of the Government, its the concern of the operators, so for the Government its cheaper to not have LED's. Remembering in SA's system, the Government buys and owns the buses, and the bus companies contract the work and take over the routes and the maintanence, etc... of the buses themselves.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Alex on the Bus » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:55 pm

LowRider wrote:No idea. Really makes them look way behind the times though.

Waddaya expect, it is Adelaide after all... :P
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Leigh » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:25 am

I saw this bus again yesterday arvo and its interesting that it has double doors at the front, centre and rear... (This is a bit different for an Adelaide bus!)
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Postby EX PTC & PTB » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:50 pm

Awesome Dave nice job!
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Postby Willie » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:30 pm

It has now been said that Mercedes Benz will no longer tender for the articulated buses as they can not offer a cost effective tender for TSA, rumours floating that an option is to lower track speed to 80 kilometres.
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Postby The Inspector » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:31 pm

Will wrote:It has now been said that Mercedes Benz will no longer tender for the articulated buses as they can not offer a cost effective tender for TSA,


Naturaly, Merc will be more expensive and above what the SA gov want to spend becouse they will do it right. Ohwell you get what you paid for. :twisted:
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby Paul Anderson » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:41 pm

SCANIA = Cheap and Nasty.
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From what I have seen the SA goverment don't like spending money on public transport for some unknown reason.
They took the cheap option on the MAN SL200's in the 1980's hence the rough transmissions.

The O-bahn is the only high speed track in the world, I think that the SA goverment needs to spend some money on it. State of the art buses would be an asset to the state and would see the tracks operation for the next 25 years.

If they buy the cheap and nasty option then it will cost more in the long run. They need to look to the future and stop penny pintching now or it is going to bite them on the arse in years to come.

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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby CB80 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:51 pm

Pretty sure the South Australian government's motivation for buying Custom Coaches is so they can say they support South Australian jobs.
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Re: New Scania Artic O-Bahn Trial

Postby PoweredByCNG » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:47 am

Paul Anderson wrote:SCANIA = Cheap and Nasty.


I've got no major problems with Scania buses in general, although they have taken the EGR route (I prefer SCR) to meet emissions regulations and their current city bus offerings are limited to 9-litre units (I prefer 11 or 12-litre engines for economy).

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They took the cheap option on the MAN SL200's in the 1980's hence the rough transmissions.


Totally disagree. SL 200s were/are far from a poor option. They've demonstrated that they'll hold up over 20 years in day-to-day public service. What more would you want? Oh, and as for their transmissions - I would hate to see what would have occurred if Adelaide followed Canberra's lead and specified 2-speed autos. Go the ZFs!!

The O-bahn is the only high speed track in the world, I think that the SA goverment needs to spend some money on it. State of the art buses would be an asset to the state and would see the tracks operation for the next 25 years.


I am being controversial here, but I say strip the O-Bahn and build either heavy or light rail. The O-Bahn was controversial when it opened in the 1980s and it remains so today. The current fleet replacement issues demonstrate how stupid the O-Bahn idea was in the first place.

If they buy the cheap and nasty option then it will cost more in the long run. They need to look to the future and stop penny pintching now or it is going to bite them on the arse in years to come.


Well I don't think they (the SA Government) have a choice. Mercedes-Benz and their stupid marketing strategy has meant that integrals and non-integrals have completely different chassis', and because importing integrals into Australia is an expensive exercise, we're stuck with the inferior goods. Mercedes-Benz I feel have been self-destructing since the phase-out of the O 405 NH. I personally think that Mercedes-Benz are crazy to not offer an articulated bus option in Australia considering the overwhelming demand for them!!

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