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[NSW & WA] Some more unknown deckers

Postby Centralian » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:52 am

Can't for the life of me recall where I took these first 2 photos. Thought of Hills Bus Sales in Wollongong but then I didn't think they had any dealings with the ex Perth MTT vehicles. Any info appreciated to fill the void in identifying these deckers:

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And a couple of unknown ex Sydney DGT deckers:

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I think from memory this one sat for many years on a property at Katoomba, but has now gone.



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Looks like this Leyland spent some time as a promo vehicle for Cumberland Wholesalers. caught here on the side of the road in Seven Hills about mid 1970's.
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Postby Andrew » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:08 am

I'd say the first two photos were taken at C&S Robinson Truck Sales. :)

Some other trivia - the former Macarthur Christian Church building on Westmoreland Road (as shown on the decker) is now used as an Islamic school, how about that.....
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Postby Windy » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:15 am

2 Alexander bodied Atlanteans or Fleetlines?
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Postby Centralian » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:20 am

Yes I saw the sign but I don't think that's connected to the buses. May be the next door property. Certainly not someone I'm familiar with as having been a wheeler and dealer in second hand buses. I may be wrong though.
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You are correct

Postby Guy_Arab » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:38 am

Windy wrote:2 Alexander bodied Atlanteans or Fleetlines?

One is now owned by Horizons West which I drive its\a Damlier Fleetline
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Postby Herbert » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:46 pm

Centralian, could it have been in Penrith in around mid-1984?

I can't find TC390 in my records, but I have a hunch that the deckers are ex-Plymouth Atlanteans, imported in 1984. Some others were sighted at Allspares in Belmont WA during July 1984, soon after a proposed overseas deal (China?) involving 50 ex-MTT buses fell through. These buses went to Allspares as well.

Amongst them was former 449, which was sighted in a dealer's yard in Penrith in September 1984. This featured a few months ago on another thread as being at Katoomba-Leura & was re-bodied by Custom Coaches, still around as MO4008.

The Worldmasters & at least one AEC Regal VI in your photo would be amongst those buses in the failed sale - evidenced by the fact that they still carried the MTT arrowhead and route number blinds, but lost their MTT logos, fleet nos & destination blinds.
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Postby Red and Cream » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:47 pm

The AEC decker is 2227 and the Leyland is 2234.
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Postby Centralian » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:01 pm

Herbert, yes I think you're right. Penrith in the mid "80's.
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Postby leopard1543 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:48 pm

Red and Cream wrote:The AEC decker is 2227 and the Leyland is 2234.


I think that the Albion decker is xm/o.1970
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Postby Dave Wilson » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:53 pm

leopard1543 wrote:
Red and Cream wrote:The AEC decker is 2227 and the Leyland is 2234.


I think that the Albion decker is xm/o.1970



Not 1966?
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Postby leopard1543 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:12 pm

Dave Wilson wrote:...........................Not 1966?


You could be right :!: 1970 & 1966 looked very similar. :lol:
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Re: You are correct

Postby OLYMPIAN » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:25 am

Guy_Arab wrote:
Windy wrote:2 Alexander bodied Atlanteans or Fleetlines?

One is now owned by Horizons West which I drive its\a Damlier Fleetline
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Windy, they look like Park Royal body,,not Alexander..
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Postby Herbert » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:56 pm

Looks like one of them is <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1978-LEYLAND-ATLANTEAN-DOUBLE-DECKER-LONDON-BUS_W0QQitemZ260132927113QQihZ016QQcategoryZ35236QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">for sale on eBay</a>.

This particular one is Leyland Atlantean PDR2/1 / Park Royal H47/32D ex JJY639G Plymouth 239, new 06.1969
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Postby Windy » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:25 pm

Now that I look at it, it does resemble more of a Park Royal body as the upper deck windscreens are very similar to the L-class and T-class in London.
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Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:08 pm

leopard1543 wrote:
Dave Wilson wrote:...........................Not 1966?


You could be right :!: 1970 & 1966 looked very similar. :lol:


:lol: Can you please make up your mind, was the photo taken in 1966 or 1970 ? :lol:
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Postby Dave Wilson » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:21 pm

Now if it had been 1966 AEC Decker, you probably would have been on it,on your way into Anthony Hordens to pickup your lay-byed 9/6penny Dinky Toy 290 series double decker. 1966 would have been on a P 341 or something
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Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:38 pm

Dave Wilson wrote:Now if it had been 1966 AEC Decker, you probably would have been on it,on your way into Anthony Hordens to pickup your lay-byed 9/6penny Dinky Toy 290 series double decker. 1966 would have been on a P 341 or something


Excuse me Mr Wilson, I lived in Waverley, the haven for AEC Deckers. I very rarely saw a Leyland and don't remember Albions in the East.

If I was picking up my lay-byed 9/6 Dinky Toy 290 series double decker, which was way out of my price range. (With my pocket money all I could buy were Matchbox toys at 2/6), I would have paid 6d on the 390 from Gibson St, Waverley (almost always an AEC Decker), sometimes an AEC underfloor, to Park St and then walked to Anthony Hordens. I would have used a 10/- or £1 note to pay for my Dinky Toy. :D
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Postby Dave Wilson » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:47 pm

Oh,oh, I thought you lived at Randwick. Anyway probably a canvas door AEC
or an auto but those Pagewood Albions got around.

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Postby AEC Decker » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:53 pm

Dave Wilson wrote: Anyway probably a canvas door AEC
or an auto but those Pagewood Albions got around.

Boronia will set the record straight for you.


No, no, no......a modern AIR DOOR or a 61 seat (canvas door removed) AEC Decker . :wink: :D

I remember traveling on what may have been an Albion on a 302 to Dolls Point. I remember it was a manual transmission bus and not a preselector as fitted to AEC Deckers.
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Postby Dave Wilson » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:02 pm

That was tehtrouble with those air door deckers- they looked too modern.Anything with a canvas door looked so ancient. Bit like 59 class steamers - always struck me as too modern compared to engines of Anglo-Australian outline.
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Postby futura » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:28 am

The two Atlanteans look exactly like the pair that ended up at Bowman's Coaches in Goulburn NSW.

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Leyland Atlanteans

Postby paulfurse » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:47 am

Hi all,

Does anyone know what happened to these 2 Atlanteans? I rode to school on these every day in Plymouth and would like to trace them, and any other ex-Plymouth Atlanteans in Australia. Any info much appreciated.

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Re: [NSW & WA] Some more unknown deckers

Postby Herbert » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:34 pm

Centralian wrote:Can't for the life of me recall where I took these first 2 photos. Thought of Hills Bus Sales in Wollongong but then I didn't think they had any dealings with the ex Perth MTT vehicles. Any info appreciated to fill the void in identifying these deckers:

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I intended correcting my previous post ages ago but forgot: these two ex-Plymouth Atlanteans are at Allspares (Belmont WA). I still haven't identified TC390, but the second one, TC381, was originally Plymouth 228, later becoming TC547 at Boat Torque, then TC4780 at General Bus Fleet.

Can anyone help re TC390?
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Re: [NSW & WA] Some more unknown deckers

Postby panther998 » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:58 pm

Herbert wrote:... these two ex-Plymouth Atlanteans are at Allspares (Belmont WA). I still haven't identified TC390, but the second one, TC381, was originally Plymouth 228, later becoming TC547 at Boat Torque, then TC4780 at General Bus Fleet.
Can anyone help re TC390?

TC381 was definitely ex Plymouth City Transport 228 (JJY628G). Here is a pic I took of it's rear end through the fence at Allspares' yard in Belmont (Alexander Rd / Robinson Av) in July 1984.
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TC390 poses more of a mystery though. I have a notation on my Tourwest list that it operated for that concern along with TC381. However, there are question marks alongside the pencilled notation, so the info was not certain enough to be written in pen. Indications are that TC390 was former Plymouth City Transport 231 (JJY631G) - again this is unconfirmed. The 12/08 issue of AB&CV Heritage featured a list (Table 6 on pages 13-18), albeit riddled with several errors, of known double-deckers imported from Britain. That list mentions PCT 231 as having gone to Tourwest in Belmont WA (affiliated with Across Australia Coachlines, iirc) along with 228 (TC381), but does not give any rego for 231. Unfortunately, the same source mistakenly states that PCT 222 passed from AAT in Sydney to Tourwest in WA in 1985 and was registered TC381, then went to Boat Torque Cruises in 1987 as TC547 !!
:? :roll:

Just to clarify, Allspares in Belmont WA had some association with All Spares / Truck Imports in Silverwater, NSW, although I'm not sure just how they related.
Also, the 13 ex Plymouth City Transport units imported in 07/83 (NSW) and 02/84 (WA) were all Park Royal bodied Leyland Atlanteans new in May and June 1969. None had Alexander bodies.
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Re: [NSW & WA] Some more unknown deckers

Postby PlymouthAtlantean » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:15 am

Hi Guys

Im a member of the Plymouth City Transport Preservation Group and we are looking to preserve buses with a Plymouth Connection can anyone tell me if any of the former Pct Park Royal JJY/G registered Atlanteans still survive in Australia currently

your help would be much appreciated.

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